whats the new best creatine or cee or whatever

[simpllyhuge]

im not talking name brand. but whats the actual best type of creatine. meaning malate or ethyle ester or other similiar products like cee or whatever thanks.

[simpllyhuge]

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[macro]

CEE

as you might guess highly reccomend PureCEE, since it is tested by chromadex. Unlike many others. Plus the caplets are convenient and unlike powder does not taste like rancid gasoline

[simpllyhuge]

is that on the Af store sight? yeah i have some cee but it taste like bile so i need capped ones.

[macro]

is that on the Af store sight? yeah i have some cee but it taste like bile so i need capped ones.

yes it is available at the AF STORE


PureCEE

[biotekguy]

Simplly, I used to take CEE capsules. Now I'm back to regular micronized creatine. I'm weary of any supplement that tastes as horrendous as CEE, so I'm getting off of it. Besides, it's no big deal to throw in creatine power into yer protein shakes...goes down easy.

[tase]

Simplly, I used to take CEE capsules. Now I'm back to regular micronized creatine. I'm weary of any supplement that tastes as horrendous as CEE, so I'm getting off of it. Besides, it's no big deal to throw in creatine power into yer protein shakes...goes down easy.

Was taste the only reason you decided to give it up!was the affect the same,better or worse than micronized!

[aProtege]

Is it true that because of the ester it does not need to be taken all day long just pre/post workout accompained by some sugar?

[Easto]

Buy CEE powder and cap it yourself.

[tase]

Does cee/ester start to break down in liquid when left for 1hr+!

[Easto]

Don't mix CEE in water.

Put it in caps and down it like any other cap.

OR

1. Fill your mouth with liquid (juice, water, protein shake, etc)
2. Leave the liquid in your mouth and add CEE
3. Swallow All
4. Chase with more liquid

CEE is sour, but it does not have a gross taste to it. It is just like eating those sour candies you used to get when you were a kid, But you don't get the candy

[BigRonWannabee]

Warheads come time mind. Its sour as **** but shouldnt leave you sick.

Easto's method works magic. Its not SUPPOSED to taste good guys.

CEE is highly superior to monohydrate. If the taste is the only reason you stay with monohydrate, get it capped

[macro]

get it capped

PureCEE

[Khyron]

Creatine Gluconate

[45]

CEE produces the highest creatinine levels, and Monohydrate is as much as 12% water. I use creatine anhydrous, pure and relativly inexpensive.

[simpllyhuge]

if take caffine before the gym, does this affect me taking creatine after?

[mister69]

cee is fine. Or a mix like swole v2 is good and cheap.

[The_Chemist]

What is it and where does it come from?

Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (CEE) is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. Esters are organic compounds that are formed by esterification - the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohols.


What does it do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?
Regular creatine monohydrate has been shown effective at increasing lean muscle mass1,2,3,4, muscle strength5,6 and athletic performance.7,8

However, regular creatine monohydrate is absorbed poorly by the body - and its effectiveness is dependant upon the cells ability to absorb it. The poor absorption rate of regular creatine monohydrate requires the creatine user to ingest large dosages of creatine to achieve desired effect.

Because creatine draws water to the cell, and because most ingested creatine monohydrate is not absorbed, unabsorbed creatine will sit outside of the target cell with the water, and this will result in the "creatine bloat."

Long-term clinical studies have proven that creatine monohydrate is safe for use by persons free of medical complication9, but why would you want to ingest more creatine monohydrate than you have to simply because your creatine is inefficient?

Creatine ethyl ester is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. The attachment of an ester is significant, because esters are found in the fat tissue of animals. But, why is this important? What role does this have in the absorption of creatine?

All substances that you put into your body will affect its operation. There are three ways that substances can affect a cells operation. They are:

Ligand binding to protein receptor sites.
Secondary messenger / metabotropic systems
Passive permeation of the cell wall via lipids
When a substance enters the body and affects the bodies operation, it is known as a ligand. The soma and dendrites of the cell have protein receptor sites to which ligands can bind. The process of a ligand binding with a receptor site is akin to a lock and key: only keys of a certain shape work with certain locks. When they work and cause the cells stimulation they are called agonists. When they block the cell from functioning they are called antagonists.

When a ligand binds with the receptor site of a target cell, the cell, in the simplest of cases, changes its shape, opens up its ion channels and changes its function. In so-called "secondary messenger" or metabotropic cells, the ligand binds with the receptor site and an internal protein known as a g-protein is released. This released protein then binds to an internal site inside of the cell, and then the cell changes its behavior by opening its ion channels. Cells that operate in this way are known as metabotropic cells because their operation requires metabolic energy.

Passive permeation is a process that describes the diffusion of a substance across a cell membrane through the use of lipids as transport mechanisms. Because no "work" is being done by the cell in this model, this model is called passive permeation.

Creatine monohydrate utilizes lipids to permeate the cell wall and enter the cell. Because of this, the esterification of creatine, and the presence of esters in animal fat tissue, becomes significant.

Creatine monohydrate is semi-lipopholic. This means that it inefficiently uses fat as a transport mechanism. The esterification of substances will increase their lipopholic abilities, and thus esterified creatine will use fat more efficiently to permeate the cell wall and exert its effects upon cellular function than its unesterified creatine monohydrate counterpart.

This means, simply, that not only will dosage requirements be lower, but the absorption of esterified creatine will be increased and the infamous "creatine bloat" will be eliminated!


Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?
Creatine Ethyl Ester can benefit persons of all ages, as it displays the same benefits as regular creatine monohydrate. Many multiple sclerosis patients are classified as creatine non-responders, but with the improved absorption seen with CEE this may not be the case.


Is Creatine Ethyl Ester real?
Much controversy has been generated over creatine ethyl ester. Companies and individuals with a financial interest in promoting creatine monohydrate products have attempted to discredit creatine ethyl ester. Some companies have even gone so far as to commission laboratory reports that show that creatine ethyl ester is not real.

Included with this page is one such report, and also included are two COA's - certificates of analysis - proving that creatine ethyl ester is real. These are included so that you, the consumer, can make up your own mind - so that you can base your choices upon the power of information.

The one report that states that creatine ethyl ester is fake was commissioned by an industry company with an interest in discrediting creatine ethyl ester. The two certificates of analysis included show that CEE is real and was done on raw source product and conducted by people with no financial interest in the promotion of creatine ethyl ester.

The esterification of creatine is chemically possible and not hard to conceive. Those who claim that CEE is fake are denying obvious science and are cheating the consumer.

To view these reports click here!


How much should be taken? Are there any side effects?
Strictly adhere to label recommendations.

No side effects have been reported in scientific literature.

REFERENCES

1. Racette SB. Creatine supplementation and athletic performance. J Orthop Sports Phys Ther. 2003 Oct;33(10):615-21.

2. Kreider, R.B., 1999. Dietary supplements and the promotion of muscle growth with resistance exercise. Sports Medicine 27:97-110.

3. Becque, M.D., et al. 2000. Effects of oral creatine supplementation on muscular strength and body composition. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 32: 654-658.

4. Ingwal JS, Weiner CD, Morales MF, Davis E, Stockdale FE: Specificity of creatine in the control of muscle protein synthesis. J Cell Biol 63:145-151, 1974.

5. Rawson ES, Volek JS. Effects of creatine supplementation and resistance training on muscle strength and weightlifting performance. J Strength Cond Res. 2003 Nov;17(4):822-31.

6. Kambis KW, Pizzedaz SK. Short-term creatine supplementation improves maximum quadriceps contraction in women. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2003 Mar;13(1):87-96.

7. Gill ND, Hall RD, Blazevich AJ. Creatine serum is not as effective as creatine powder for improving cycle sprint performance in competitive male team-sport athletes. J Strength Cond Res. 2004 May;18(2):272-5.

8. Rawson, E.S., et al. 1999. Effects of 30 days of creatine ingestion in older men. European Journal of Applied Physiology 80: 139-144.

9. Sosin D.M., Sniezek J.E., Thurman D.J.. Incidence of mild and moderate brain injury in the United States, 1991. Brain Inj 1996 Jan;10(1):47-54.

[mattd46612]

1000g $36 not bad if u want the powder. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/ester.html

[Ponderosa]

CEE is hard on some (read me) people's stomachs. I get stomach cramps from it; possibly because it simply tastes like shit, whether you chase it with water or sprite or whatever.

There's no loading phase needed with CEE; and it can generally be taken on a consistent basis (daily) for a very long time.

Gear, proper diet, cardio and sleep is all you need. **** CEE and all the other bloating crap.

[simpllyhuge]

what about if i was to also take Citrulline Malate Powder with my cee. I would be buying the powders both in bulk. or is that a waste of money. how many grams of each thanks.