Runner here trying to lose belly fat....Ephedra

[Turbo Travis]

Hey guys! I have always had a belly on me(bigger when I do not work out) and i'm finially getting sick of it. Currently I run about 3 miles a week every weekday and do some longer runs on the weekends for a total of about 20-25 miles a week. I have some original Stacker 2 unopened from about 8 years ago, still unopnened. Should I try it? How much should I take? It should not be expired should it? Thank you!

Travis

EDIT-when and how much should I take? Thanks.

[Suareezay]

8 years? do you really have to ask this question?

get some fresh ephedrine hcl and caffiene tabs and do a search for "ECA stack".

[Turbo Travis]

8 years? do you really have to ask this question?

get some fresh ephedrine hcl and caffiene tabs and do a search for "ECA stack".

There is no expiration date on the bottle, that's why I asked.

[Suareezay]

There is no expiration date on the bottle, that's why I asked.

why would you put anything thats 8 years old into your body...besides things that "get better with age" like wine. I cant say for sure, but i seriously doubt stacker 2 is one of those things.

[Turbo Travis]

why would you put anything thats 8 years old into your body...besides things that "get better with age" like wine. I cant say for sure, but i seriously doubt stacker 2 is one of those things.

Fair enough. What product do you reccomend then? Are any of the products that contain 25MG of ephedra going to do "basically" the same job then? I appreciate the help.

[Suareezay]

www.bulknutrition.com sells 25mg ephedrine HCL. Buy some caffiene pills from the same place, or from CVS.

do a search for ECA stack as well.

[0nyx]

isn't it tough to get ephedra.. thought that was banned :S

[Suareezay]

ephedrine and ephedra arent the same thing

[Ponderosa]

Some people simply can't avoid belly-fat; if you're one of those, then you'll have a tough time of it. Try ephedrine tabs alone first. See how this suits you. If you have access to clen, try that. If you've got bling, get some HGH and maybe spot inject in your belly for 4 months - ha, good luck. If none of this works or is feasible to you, then do as suareezay said and stack eph + caf...but you may get the shakes. Also, diet - needless to say.

[Turbo Travis]

Some people simply can't avoid belly-fat; if you're one of those, then you'll have a tough time of it. Try ephedrine tabs alone first. See how this suits you. If you have access to clen, try that. If you've got bling, get some HGH and maybe spot inject in your belly for 4 months - ha, good luck. If none of this works or is feasible to you, then do as suareezay said and stack eph + caf...but you may get the shakes. Also, diet - needless to say.

Sorry for the newbie questions, but what is the diffrence between a product with ephedra vs a product with ephedrine and/or ephedrine and caffine pills? I see that Stacker 2 is still available some places along with similar products. Thank you all for the help.

Travis

[kjay]

best thing i can recommend is change your running to hitt or even power walk, your body probably has adapted to running if it had not you would lose your gut, do your cardio in the AM FASTED STATE, take 25mg e 200 caf 80 asprin, also get liquid L-carnitine 1000mg of that, 600 mg of green tea extract, 20 minutes later get that cardio done be ready to put in 45-60min if losing fat is your goal do it. You will sweat like mad, go home drink some h20 take a shower and have your first meal after 30 minutes. Also add cla. Cla is the only thing i take seperate i take it at bedtime.

other mentionables, if you drink beer or regular soda you will fail, i you eat crap you will fail, Set your body as the priority if you find losing your gut will make you happy and knowing in the end that feeling of taking off your shirt at a pool party is more satisifying than your beer pop or pizza you will succeed you can do it if you want it. This board has great advice and many very smart people. Good luck, hope this post helps out many have helped me KARMA

[Turbo Travis]

I just started running again seriously only a month ago and already have lost weight without any suppliments, so I am headed in the right track. Last year I ran not as hard as I am now and ate ALOT worse and still got my weight down...so with eating better, running harder/farther, and a suppliment I am sure I will see even better gains then last year. My diet is improving, I have about 1-2 sodas a week and a few mixed drinks at the bar each weekend. Other then that it is just water and my muscle milk in the morning.

[Suareezay]

Some people simply can't avoid belly-fat; if you're one of those, then you'll have a tough time of it. Try ephedrine tabs alone first. See how this suits you. If you have access to clen, try that. If you've got bling, get some HGH and maybe spot inject in your belly for 4 months - ha, good luck. If none of this works or is feasible to you, then do as suareezay said and stack eph + caf...but you may get the shakes. Also, diet - needless to say.

why would you try EC as a last resort to clen and HGH? wtf

[Turbo Travis]

Ok, need to check in here...I took one of the Stacker 2 pills at 3pm yesterday after breakfast...felt a little jittery, to be expected right? Took another at 7pm, checked blood pressure at 730, was normal, went running at 8pm for 5 miles good run..

Went to the local bar and had a 3 drinks over a 4 hour period, and got WAY WAY loaded(would normally take 5 drinks to get as drunk as I was, possibly 6). Could not sleep at all...stayed up all night, did not eat for 24 hours...no appitite. I can't think the Stacker 2 GAINED potency, can only think it's the drinking? I messed up somewhere.

[Suareezay]

I messed up somewhere.

i think you messed up by taking 8 year old pills. I have no idea whether or not they are still effective, or are safe, but they are 8 year old pills. Use some common sense. Seriously man. ephedrine costs $8, its not that big of a purchase.

[mranak]

8 years? do you really have to ask this question?

get some fresh ephedrine hcl and caffiene tabs and do a search for "ECA stack".

I'm confident that the medicine/drug/whatever is still 99%+ potent.

The stuff is fine. Throwing it away would be a waste.

[Suareezay]

I'm confident that the medicine/drug/whatever is still 99%+ potent.

The stuff is fine. Throwing it away would be a waste.

you could be right...like i said, i have no idea, but i wouldnt bother with something 8 years old, but thats just me.

[Turbo Travis]

I'm fairly confident it's potent also, I'm just curious if the effects that I experienced were 'normal'....? Maybe I will take just one next time and see how that works. I actually felt fine until I had the drinks...

[Suareezay]

take a bunch of stimulants and go get drunk. so youre the type of person those disclaimer labels are for. i always wondered that.

[Turbo Travis]

take a bunch of stimulants and go get drunk. so youre the type of person those disclaimer labels are for. i always wondered that.

Asshole, I had 2 Stacker 2 pills that day, the last one being at 7pm and had 3 drinks over a fairly long period. Was not trying to get drunk.

[Suareezay]

Asshole, I had 2 Stacker 2 pills that day, the last one being at 7pm and had 3 drinks over a fairly long period. Was not trying to get drunk.

asshole? damn im sad now.

[bigpapabuff]

Good to see that you're motivated. You came to a good place, I've recieved a lot of help here. Remember more important than any supplement you'll take is your diet. Look at the diet forum, you can find some good articles in there. Something that was kind of hard for met but that I feel has really helped was doing six smaller meals a day than the traditional three. Spread out your meals, burn more calories than you eat, (that's why soda kills you, if it's hard for you to give up, try diet it'll make a difference), and keep working out hard.

Keep up the good work man, and good luck. Seriously check out the diet forum. Oh, and don't get upset by what people say sometimes like what suareezay said. If you hang out here very long, you'll find out that everybody is way sarcastic with eachother.

[ect0m0rph]

diet my man, learn to love but it sounds like your on the right track. As my name says I am kind of an ectomorph so I havent had this problem but a buddy I lift with has used clen and he really likes it. Just my two cents.

[TxLonghorn]

Are you aware that your body will burn ZERO fat while you have alcohol in your system?

Not saying you have to be a monk or anything, but having a few drinks the same day you start taking diet pills?

[rjet]

Travis,
I think you may be running into a few problems, incorrect diet, I have yet to hear anything about your weight training program (are you on one?), drinking alcohol, not getting enough sleep and an inconsistant supplement program.
Remember, in most men, the first place we put on fat is our belly and it's the last place it comes off. That said, you have to really plan out a good program and stick to it if you want six pac abs. I'm not knocking you....most people don't have the discipline to do it....but you seem like you may be ready to give it a shot. Here is a general outline of what you should do to maximize your results IMHO:

Diet: 6 small meals per day of nutrient dense, quality calories. Keep protien at 1 gram per pound of body weight and cut out carbs at night. Avoid fatty foods and supplement with fish/flax/sesamin oil.

Weight training: at least 3 times per week. You will find that if you build muscle, you will inturn loose body fat at a much greater rate than cardio alone.

Cardio: 4-5 times per week, and I agree with the previous posting, swith to a HIT type of cardio....much more effective IMO.

Supplements: Their is no better legal fat burning stack than the tried and true E/C/A stack. I have used this time and time again with great results.
You also have to control cortisol. This will put on stuborn belly fat fast. Cardio increases this hormone as does stress and lack of sleep. I have used a Supplement called "Lean Extream" by Designer Supplements with great success. If your belly fat is a result of to much cortisol, this will help eliminate it. Be careful though not to take too much as the idea is to control cortisol, not eleminate it.
The fish/flax/sesamine oil will provide your body with essential fatty acids that help to break down fat in your system.

Alcohol consuption: limit to 2 drinks a week max. I would cut it out all together though.

I could go into much greater detail with this program but I have given you enough to do some research and come up with what will work with your schedule, budget and level of motivation.

I wish you the best of luck...