Need EPHEDRA?? Found it!!...

[inssane]

http://www.healthnutwarehouse.com/weightloss1.html

There you are.
Good luck!
Nick

[g0dsp33d]

hate to burst your bubble but there is a big difference between "ephedra" and "Mu Hang Extract" which was banned.

[string_bean00]

http://dnepharmaceuticals.com/page007.htm

[Brat]

hate to burst your bubble but there is a big difference between "ephedra" and "Mu Hang Extract" which was banned.

My boss explained the whole ephedra thing to me like this...ephedra is what is derived from mu hang extract and both were banned...ephedrine, however, is the chemically made version of ephedra/mu hang...pharmaceutical grade or whatever - not banned...you can get it in some different meds...I could be wrong...like I said, that's how my boss explained it...

[g0dsp33d]

You can still buy Ephederine HCL in many over the counter places that I know of including Oscos. Different drug. Vasparo is one many available drugs with this product in it.

[parrish]

Last saturday in the U.S. Ephedra ban was reversed.
Is this correct?????

[no regrets]

yes Parrish, I believe it was reversed.

[bigjay00]

yes Parrish, I believe it was reversed.

meaning it's now legal????


proof please!

[cubanojoe]

I thought that is was open for discussion not that it was back legally yet but how they banned it was illegal.

[g0dsp33d]

all i heard one of the judges turned it down for being banned so it opened it back up for discusion

[Die$eL~Man]

i got it all.... >Lipo 6 , Thermo Hydroxamine, Yellow Subs ! all w/ epehdra ! you know the drill !

[bula]

I've got about 6 large bottles left of the old LaBrada "Charge". The ingredients say it has the following ..

334mg Ma Huang Extract
100mg Guarana Seed Extract
100mh Caffeine
75mg Bitter Orange Extract
50mg Kola Nut Extract
25mg White Willow BArk Extract
5mg Ginger Root Powder
5mg Passion Flower Extract

Does this have ephedra in it? I thought it did?

[g0dsp33d]

Ma Huang extract is ephedra. This is what was banned.

[inssane]

Those that have taken ephedra or Ma Huang...is there a HUGE difference in fat loss between that and ephedrine HCL??
Nick

[g0dsp33d]

ephederine HCL doesn't effect your body the same way Ma Haung does. You don't get the jitters/synergy/ etc. effects.

Ephedrine HCL helps you breath better. Not a fat loss supplement. Many doctors use it for minor asthma.

[aspitfire]

so, anyone have a good place to get the non-ephedra hcl? Thanks!

[aspitfire]

i came upon this site today while looking for ephedra, just wondering if you think this is legit.

[url]http://www.easypricematch.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=63007[/url]

[mranak]

i came upon this site today while looking for ephedra, just wondering if you think this is legit.

http://www.easypricematch.com/viewit...dproduct=63007

Who cares if it is legit, because it is a rip-off. Each pill contains 10mg of ephedrine. A bottle of 60 pills costs $39.99.

You can get 374 tablets of Ephedrine-HCL/25mg for $49.96. It used to cost something like $39.96, but oh well.

[string_bean00]

Ripped Fuel is a ripoff, yes.

[string_bean00]

lol

[Tweekt-out]

Federal Judge Strikes Down Ephedra Ban, Apr 14, 2005, AP
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr14.html

[Tweekt-out]

Judge Rules Against FDA Ban on Ephedra
Product More Food Than Drug, She Says

By Mark Thiessen
Associated Press
Friday, April 15, 2005; Page E05

SALT LAKE CITY, April 14 -- A federal judge Thursday struck down the FDA ban on supplements containing ephedra, the once-popular weight-loss aid that was yanked from the market one year ago after it was linked to dozens of deaths.

The judge ruled in favor of a Utah supplement company that challenged the Food and Drug Administration's ban. Nutraceutical International Corp. claimed that ephedra has been safely consumed for hundreds of years
Industry groups said supplements that included ephedra were once used by 12 million people. Last year's ban of ephedra was the first such outlawing of a dietary supplement.

Research shows that ephedra -- an amphetamine-like herb -- can speed heart rate and constrict blood vessels even in seemingly healthy people but that it is particularly risky for those with heart disease or high blood pressure or who engage in strenuous exercise. Among the deaths linked to the substance was that of Baltimore Orioles pitching prospect Steve Bechler, who collapsed and died during spring training two years ago.
The judge's decision was seen by some anti-ephedra advocates as falling short of an outright reversal of the ban, though a Nutraceutical lawyer declared flatly, "The ban is gone." The company said it is too soon to say whether it will put the product back on shelves.

The FDA was evaluating the ruling, but Health and Human Services Department spokesman William Pierce said the agency "made the right decision from the standpoint of science and our statutory authority." He added, "This is exactly when the dietary supplement law should apply."

Health officials and Justice Department lawyers are examining the ruling to determine the next step, Pierce said.

U.S. District Judge Tena Campbell agreed with Nutraceutical that ephedra was wrongly being regulated by the FDA as a drug and not a food. She said a 1994 federal dietary supplement law places more restrictive rules on the FDA in determining whether to ban foods as opposed to drugs.

The judge said the law requires the FDA to prove that a dietary supplement is harmful, rather than requiring the manufacturer to prove it is safe, as is required with drugs.

"The [FDA's] statement that a safe level cannot be determined is simply not sufficient to meet the government's burden," Campbell wrote.

Her order prevents the FDA from stopping Nutraceutical from selling its product and sends the case back to the FDA for a determination of what are safe and dangerous levels of ephedrine, ephedra's active ingredient.

Nutraceutical President Bruce R. Hough said the lawsuit had little to do with ephedra and more to do with forcing the FDA to follow the rules Congress set down for it.

"This is a great affirmation for the system, that the court goes back and says, 'This is Congress's intent,' " he said.

Ephedra opponents said the language in the order applies to only a specific, lower-dosage segment of the market. The ruling's final page prohibits the FDA from enforcing the ban on Nutraceutical's supplements containing 10 milligrams or less of ephedra.

Ten milligrams per day was the dosage of Nutraceutical's products.

"No one -- not the FDA, the supplement industry, nor the public -- has been satisfied by how ephedra has been regulated," said Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), who helped write the 1994 law that also deregulated the supplement industry. "Millions of people have used the product with satisfaction, but there is no doubt the product has had some serious problems," he said.

Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), a frequent ephedra critic who worked for the ban, said the ruling underlined the need for "a mandatory and uniform system of reporting adverse health events that result from use of certain dietary supplements."

[Tweekt-out]

The alkaloids ephedrine and pseudo-ephedrine were isolated by Nagai (1) and Merck (2), respectively, from Ephedra vulgaris. The Chinese drug Ma-huang, variously identified as Ephedra vulgaris, Rich. var. helvetica, Hk. et Thoms.(3), Ephedra equisetina, Bge.(4), has been recently studied by K. K. Chen and Carl F. Schmidt (5,6). From this they isolated the alkaloid ephedrine and conducted various physiological experiments. They gave the following physical constants for ephedrine and its salts:

Ephedrine - mp 210°C.
Ephedrine HCl - mp 214°C, [***945;]D25 -35°.
Ephedrine H2SO4 - mp 242°C.

It has been found that the basic substance isolated from Ma-huang, contains about 20% of pseudo-ephedrine as well as ephedrine, the former being identical in all respects with that obtained by the action of HCl upon ephedrine


What's that about Epehdrine HCL not being thermogenic?

[batman21]

i just want a good place for good ephedra is there such thing now that the ban is lifted for the time being? sorry for being such a noob. But you wont know unless you ask.

[aspitfire]

i just want a good place for good ephedra is there such thing now that the ban is lifted for the time being? sorry for being such a noob. But you wont know unless you ask.

same here