m1T question (side effect)

[nopainnogain]

hey all a buddy of mine just finished a decent cycle of M1T...he gained some mass nothing drastic but people including me could tell a difference.....well i talked to him the other day and he was freaking out a bit....I asked him what was up and he said that he seen some liquid.....kinda a cloudy clearish liquid, on his nipple.....and then he said when he flexed....and was whipping it off....it squirted out!!!! I asked him if his nips were sore....he said no......and it doesn't look like he has any signs of gyno......so I was stupped.....figured I would post it and see what you all say........he feels fine just a little freaked about the liquid..........first thing i thought was hahah your lactating dude but the liquid was like i said a cloudy clearish color.......anyway let me know what you all think........help my boy out.......thanks.......

[Golden_Muscle]

Poor guy. Makes me laugh though, hahaha.

[majic]

M1T is said to not convert to estrogen, which I believe is true, but I think studies or observations have revealed that it can convert (or just raise) prolactin levels in the body... this is the hormone responsible for causing women to lactate, durring pregnancy.

It's also a hormone that's release after you get off, and it sort of sets your sexdrive on hold... that's why M1T is said to kill your sex drive. So, this might explain why your boy is getting milky nips

[Bimmer]

1ad was also said not to convert to estrogen but now info is coming out that it does. Same with m1t. Think about it: m1t is a strong hormone, its test. And everyone knows test cause gyno and lactation. And since its test, having higher levels of test without somehow suppressing estorgen will result in more estrogen formation in your bodys attempt to balance out the hormones. Its a natural reaction of your body. Some people just react more severly. Have you seen his nips? Maybe he doesnt think he has gyno coming in but he really does. Nothing to really worry about. Some guys lactate naturally, not as a side effect of juice or other prohormones.

[nopainnogain]

well.....talked to my boy......saw his pecs......he still looks jacked......doesn't have puffy nips......his chest is still full.......he said that his pecs are still hard and aren't sore at all.......just surprised him to see the liquid.....hell i don't blame him......

[majic]

Originally posted by Bimmer
1ad was also said not to convert to estrogen but now info is coming out that it does. Same with m1t. Think about it: m1t is a strong hormone, its test. And everyone knows test cause gyno and lactation. And since its test, having higher levels of test without somehow suppressing estorgen will result in more estrogen formation in your bodys attempt to balance out the hormones. Its a natural reaction of your body. Some people just react more severly. Have you seen his nips? Maybe he doesnt think he has gyno coming in but he really does. Nothing to really worry about. Some guys lactate naturally, not as a side effect of juice or other prohormones.

That's a generalized statement. Estrogen levels rise based on several different pathways, you can't say that because you have more test, your body will make more estrogen. It's just not that simple. M1T isn't test, it is a pre-cursor designed to metabolize into testosterone through an oxidation reduction in the liver. Next -- estrogen related side effects of many steroids are as a result of aromatase reduction of free roaming test. The prolactin that is developed from M1T is generated through a completely different pathway than other steroids, based on it's molecular structure, and the way it is metabolized in the body.

There still isn't any evidence that M1T aromatizes into estrogen directly as some other steroids do. If you have elevated estrogen levels, that is an individual's reaction, not a property of the drug itself.

[gonzo]

Sorry to hear about your buddy and his nips. I used M1T with a ANTI-E just in case I show no signs of any problems. I aslo used 6-oxo for my PCT. Everyone advised aganst this but I rather use something then nothing. Did your friend use any ANTI-E or did a PCT of any sort.

[Golden_Muscle]

Milk is comming out of his nipples! HAHAHAHAHA! WHAT A PUSSY!


LOL......!!!!

[camper]

If you squeeze your nipples really hard for about ten to twenty seconds you'll see some milky substance leak out. For most people it's just a little drop, but no matter who you are or what you've done, something comes out.

[AssItch]

Originally posted by majic
That's a generalized statement. Estrogen levels rise based on several different pathways, you can't say that because you have more test, your body will make more estrogen. It's just not that simple. M1T isn't test, it is a pre-cursor designed to metabolize into testosterone through an oxidation reduction in the liver.

Eh? You have M1T mixed up with 4ad. M1T is not a precursor to anything; it's an active steroid already.

[Mex Rookie]

Originally posted by camper
If you squeeze your nipples really hard for about ten to twenty seconds you'll see some milky substance leak out. For most people it's just a little drop, but no matter who you are or what you've done, something comes out.

I have tried it but nothing had come out.... I'm still amazed when I saw that Stunt. That is not stuff you regularly do at a bar.

[majic]

Originally posted by AssItch
Eh? You have M1T mixed up with 4ad. M1T is not a precursor to anything; it's an active steroid already.

M1T and 1-test ARE, in fact, active steroid compounds already. The only difference between 1-test and test is the 1-2 double bond instead of the 4-5 double bond, and there is an extra hydrogen bond on the 5th carbon.

What does that mean? Well, it's an androgen, in the sense that it is based on the steran nucleus, and has similarities great enough to testosterone to bind directly to the androgen receptor. However, it can undergo an enzyme reduction into testosterone, itself.

What else does this tell us? 1-test, and it also applies to methylated 1-test, because it's the same compound with a methyl group added to the 17th carbon's hydrogen bond. Okay, with there being a hydrogen bonded to the 5th position, that means that this man-made chemical has already undergone a 5-alpha reductase, so it would appear that it can't aromatise into estrogen. So, this leads us to believe that either:

A) The compound converts to something that is not testosterone, but can aromatise into estrogen, or
B) The compound does convert to testosterone, and it can aromatise into estrogen.

This is all under the auspice that 1-test does, in fact, cause a rise in serum estrogen levels, which most personal experiences have noted.