preworkout supplements

[powerlifter53]

What are the best supplements to take before a workout?

[bigcmonster]

Glutamine

[Footballstar74]

Ephedra

[Bast]

Protein, dextrose, Creatine, vitamin, glutamin

Take all of them.
30 grams of protein
30grams of Dextrose
5grams og Creatine
1g C-vitamine
10grams Glutamine

And then the same after, but then take 50grams dextrose.

[detroit]

Something with some carbs for energy pre-workout.
Something with balanced carbs and protien for recovery post-workout.

[YellowJacket]

Glutamine is 100% useless to the weight training athlete.

[daan69]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Glutamine is 100% useless to the weight training athlete.

wow... idk about all that.
Totally disagree i find glutamine helps alot... not pre work out as much as post work out.

Feel free to enlighten me as to why glutamine is 100% useless... but im not about to get in a three page argument like many of your posts ive seen.

[YellowJacket]

Read this [url]http://steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33630[/url]

[Frankie xq]

actually glutamine supplementation is useless to anyone. so little survives the gut to be effective. i think it oxidizes into glucose in your tract before absorption can take place in the small intestine. if the above link says anything about it, just ignore this.

[pullinbig]

a piece of fruit is by far the best to injest about 45 minutes pre workout. i have treid everything and this works best for me. i didnt read this in some forum or a mag either.

[YellowJacket]

Fruit equals fructose, not ideal pre workout.

[pullinbig]

it keeps the thyroid active and insulin production down. if you dont like that use oatmeal. what do you base you opinion on? or is it experince? anybody can say anything (which happens here lot) but it dont mean nothing without field tests.

[YellowJacket]

No, I base it on education, not saying youre lacking in that department however. Why not pick a sugar which has an effect on muscle glycogen, since you are lifting? Fructose primarily fills liver glycogen, which is useless to us as weight training athletes.

[MJG35C]

1g of liquid L-carnitine
2250 mgs. of BCAA's

I've used these two for several years and they have served me well, however go with what works for you. BTW, do some research on what you decide to go with. You need to be aware of the benefits to help you determine if it's working for you.

[0nyx]

what does the carnitine do for you ??

is bcaa some thing to do with amino acids?

[MJG35C]

Originally posted by 0nyx
what does the carnitine do for you ??

is bcaa some thing to do with amino acids?

L-Carnitine is used by the body to transport long chain fatty acids to the mitochondria which burns them for energy. It's an effective fat burner.

BCAA's consist of three amino acids L-Leucine, L-Isoleucine, and L-Valine, which have a particular molecular structure that gives them their name (branched chain amino acids) and comprise an estimated 35 percent of muscle tissue.

These are a group of amino acids that help to maintain and strenghten muscle tissue. Also, they are needed during times of physical stress and intense exercise.

[Bast]

Well, i have to say Glutamine DOES work.. anyways it does the shizzles for me, i dont get a cold (as i often get otherwise) and it feels like its helping. And yes i had a good diet and everything before it also.

[0nyx]

MJG35C , how much does that stuff cost >?

[MJG35C]

Originally posted by 0nyx
MJG35C , how much does that stuff cost >?

The L-Carnitine cost $14.50 for a 8 oz. bottle at the Vitamin Shoppe. You could probably beat that price but make sure you get the liquid. It gets in your bloodstream quicker than the capsules.

BCAA's range anywhere from $17.50-$30.00 for 180 capsules. The price of course depends on what brand you buy. Optimum Nutrition sells 180 capsules for about $22.00 at GNC.

[pullinbig]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
No, I base it on education, not saying youre lacking in that department however. Why not pick a sugar which has an effect on muscle glycogen, since you are lifting? Fructose primarily fills liver glycogen, which is useless to us as weight training athletes.

normally post workout i have a shake with 150 carbs (complex) and 100g protein. then again two hours later eat a meal with close to same ratios.

beleive me i have tried everything and have found what works best for me. a piece of fruit is about 100 calories and 25g carbs.

it is my understanding that glucose for anarobic activety has to be broken down into frucose befoer it can used for energy anyway. so why not eat the frucose?

here's an excerpt from a long article but it states basically my point. I had to look a while to find it as i wanted make sure what i thougfht i knew was correct. i have been known to make a mistake maybe once a year or so.

Extracting Energy from Glucose

Two different pathways are involved in the metabolism of glucose: one anaerobic and one aerobic. The anaerobic process occurs in the cytoplasm and is only moderately efficient. The aerobic cycle takes place in the mitochondria and is results in the greatest release of energy. As the name implies, though, it requires oxygen.

Anaerobic Metabolism

Glucose in the bloodstream diffuses into the cytoplasm and is locked there by phosphorylation. A glucose molecule is then rearranged slightly to fructose and phosphorylated again to fructose diphosphate. These steps actually require energy, in the form of two ATPs per glucose. The fructose is then cleaved to yield two glyceraldehyde phosphates (GPs). In the next steps, energy is finally released, in the form of two ATPs and two NADHs, as the GPs are oxidized to phosphoglycerates. One of the key enzymes in this process is glyceraldehyde phosphate dehydrogenase (GPDH), which transfers a hydrogen atom from the GP to NAD to yield the energetic NADH. Due to its key position in the glycolytic pathway, biochemical assays of GPDH are often used to estimate the glycolytic capacity of a muscle cell. Finally, two more ATPs are produced as the phosphoglycerates are oxidized to pyruvate.

if you got some data post it and i would love to read it. or just send me some links that are not over a couple years old. you know how quickly things change now a days.

nice reply though. look forward to your response.

[YellowJacket]

No data needed here..... Im talking a bout re-filling muscle glycogen, not utilization of blood glucose.Two totally different areas here.

Also, eating fructose is a t otally different subject than how glycoghen is broken down to gfructose, etc. If youre eating an apple or whatever, its filling primarily liver glycogen, which is useless. Simple eating some fructose to skip the aforementioned step (in your article) sounds great in theory, but its does not work like that.