can i get feedback if possible --latest pics from june/07
new pics from june/07.. without changing my gender what can i do to bring my physique to a higher level... i know some of you are going to say i'm just fine, but i just entered provincial show.. and couldn't compare with the women who were jacked on masculinizing roids (up close, this was very disturbing).. i was taking primobolan, winstrol & anavar (only done two cycles and three shows).. just started sum GH (jintropin).. but heard that effective doses are atleast 4iu a day... take HCA/insulen in combo with that. feel free to e-mail me privately.. love to hear from anyone in my area who's advanced in the sport..
thx in advance!
PS.. first 4 pics from day before last show.. my avatar from day of the show, as is pic #5
Last edited by evangeline; 07-02-2007 at 12:29 PM.
1.) Time- You just simply need more of it under the iron and at the dinner table. 2.) You need to be leaner.
'DirkMoneyshot'.. thanks for your feedback.. i must be sumwhat naiive here.. but don't understand what you mean by suggestion #1.. sorry about that.
as for getting leaner.. i'm kind of stumped on how to get any leaner than this.. my trainer and i think i am holding mostly subcutaneous water.. it has been my biggest battle. for the record.. i have had a full hyst and now take estrogen orally on a daily basis.. but near contest time i discontinue it for about a month.. i really don't know how to be drier on stage.. after doing three shows and running into this time and time again, i am stumped. i started dehydrating thursday evg, with carb loading. i think maybe i just need to start dehydrating sooner?? or perhaps should i consider a diuretic other than dandelion root preps (that is all i took --according to my trainer's instructions)--? the prejuding was at 11am sat.. i was hoping that i would be drier.. my skin did not appear "paper thin" as i would have liked.
before d/c'ing water, i was titrating up to 12L a day (again, according to my trainer's insistance that this is vital).. this was quite difficult for me. but i did it. i didn't cheat on my diet either, believing that this might lead to water retention itself.. anyhow this method works well for my trainer (who is man with many years pro comp experience and many wins).. but doesn't seem to bring about the same results for me. i was dry at the show and didn't even sip water.. but i wasn't dry enough.. (atleast for my liking). i did about 40min cardio a day before the show.. in the morning, weight training several hours later in the gym. i wasn't using GH or insulen at that time.. the last month, i was only using winny and anavar.. i d/c'd the primo about 6 wks before the show.
this additional info may be totally irrelevant.. i'm not sure. anyhow.. your feedback is very much appreciated.. thankyou.
stats:
*age: 42 yrs old
*height: 5'4"
*competition weight (nite before judging): 137lb
training: consistently approx 6 years (altho i have about 15 years bodybuilding experience in total)
*competitions entered: two in november/06 (wins) & one in june/07 (couldn't compare even tho i trained smarter, ate better, and had more prep time before the show. i was however, under alot more stress this time around).
yes a fellow ontarion you look great no need for the slin but 4iu is about right of gh e/d
slugz.. thanks.. i' ve done a fair bit of reading.. some articles say if not using insulen, you are not optimizing your GH.. i have been taking about 3iu of GH post workout with 10iu of humulin R, 600mg HCA with it & a creatine carb drink after the slin shot.. i only started the GH last week.. the one thing i noticed is that i am shredded after my post workout concoction.. but i've been quite irritable since starting the GH (gen lei jintropin). anything can set me off it seems.. hope this is a temporary side.. not sure if i will continue using the slin or not.. just experimenting for the most part.. i really want to be all that i can be.. i know i have the genetics.. i just haven't discovered what works optimally for me yet--i'm a bit frustrated, as i have no problem with motivation and discipline.. i want it that bad. i'm in need of an experienced mentor i guess.
thanks for your input.. i have a great deal of respect for the collective experience on this forum.
attached photo: taken day before show.. (june 22/07). i lost about 25lb cutting up for show.. so there is excess skin (i shoulda started dieting earlier).
Last edited by evangeline; 07-02-2007 at 05:04 PM.
'DirkMoneyshot'.. thanks for your feedback.. i must be sumwhat naiive here.. but don't understand what you mean by suggestion #1.. sorry about that.
as for getting leaner.. i'm kind of stumped on how to get any leaner than this.. my trainer and i think i am holding mostly subcutaneous water.. it has been my biggest battle. for the record.. i have had a full hyst and now take estrogen orally on a daily basis.. but near contest time i discontinue it for about a month.. i really don't know how to be drier on stage.. after doing three shows and running into this time and time again, i am stumped. i started dehydrating thursday evg, with carb loading. i think maybe i just need to start dehydrating sooner?? or perhaps should i consider a diuretic other than dandelion root preps (that is all i took --according to my trainer's instructions)--? the prejuding was at 11am sat.. i was hoping that i would be drier.. my skin did not appear "paper thin" as i would have liked.
before d/c'ing water, i was titrating up to 12L a day (again, according to my trainer's insistance that this is vital).. this was quite difficult for me. but i did it. i didn't cheat on my diet either, believing that this might lead to water retention itself.. anyhow this method works well for my trainer (who is man with many years pro comp experience and many wins).. but doesn't seem to bring about the same results for me. i was dry at the show and didn't even sip water.. but i wasn't dry enough.. (atleast for my liking). i did about 40min cardio a day before the show.. in the morning, weight training several hours later in the gym. i wasn't using GH or insulen at that time.. the last month, i was only using winny and anavar.. i d/c'd the primo about 6 wks before the show.
this additional info may be totally irrelevant.. i'm not sure. anyhow.. your feedback is very much appreciated.. thankyou.
stats:
*age: 42 yrs old
*height: 5'4"
*competition weight (nite before judging): 137lb
training: consistently approx 6 years (altho i have about 15 years bodybuilding experience in total)
*competitions entered: two in november/06 (wins) & one in june/07 (couldn't compare even tho i trained smarter, ate better, and had more prep time before the show. i was however, under alot more stress this time around).
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What i mean by #1 is you need more muscle maturity. Its something you are lacking right now. You have soft look to your muscle. Are you a lighter weight higher rep lifter?
2nd anytime i hear i'm holding to much water or someone thinks its water it is almost 99% of the time your holding some fat. Trust me you can be leaner. When you say your skin was not paper thin then thats the tell tell sign.
Let me pose this question to you- How can you carb load if you are not taking in water? Your answer to me should be you can't. Also by cutting your water to early (i'm not sure if this is the case since i don't know to much about you) you are going to cause yourself to hold water. I can say this. Most individuals i work with are still drinking at least a gallon of water / day the day before a show.
Also hun NO CARDIO after wednesday and no leg workouts period the week before a show. Your legs will not show the striations and seperation you need if you do.
Originally Posted by evangeline
'DirkMoneyshot'.. thanks for your feedback.. i must be sumwhat naiive here.. but don't understand what you mean by suggestion #1.. sorry about that.
as for getting leaner.. i'm kind of stumped on how to get any leaner than this.. my trainer and i think i am holding mostly subcutaneous water.. it has been my biggest battle. for the record.. i have had a full hyst and now take estrogen orally on a daily basis.. but near contest time i discontinue it for about a month.. i really don't know how to be drier on stage.. after doing three shows and running into this time and time again, i am stumped. i started dehydrating thursday evg, with carb loading. i think maybe i just need to start dehydrating sooner?? or perhaps should i consider a diuretic other than dandelion root preps (that is all i took --according to my trainer's instructions)--? the prejuding was at 11am sat.. i was hoping that i would be drier.. my skin did not appear "paper thin" as i would have liked.
before d/c'ing water, i was titrating up to 12L a day (again, according to my trainer's insistance that this is vital).. this was quite difficult for me. but i did it. i didn't cheat on my diet either, believing that this might lead to water retention itself.. anyhow this method works well for my trainer (who is man with many years pro comp experience and many wins).. but doesn't seem to bring about the same results for me. i was dry at the show and didn't even sip water.. but i wasn't dry enough.. (atleast for my liking). i did about 40min cardio a day before the show.. in the morning, weight training several hours later in the gym. i wasn't using GH or insulen at that time.. the last month, i was only using winny and anavar.. i d/c'd the primo about 6 wks before the show.
this additional info may be totally irrelevant.. i'm not sure. anyhow.. your feedback is very much appreciated.. thankyou.
stats:
*age: 42 yrs old
*height: 5'4"
*competition weight (nite before judging): 137lb
training: consistently approx 6 years (altho i have about 15 years bodybuilding experience in total)
*competitions entered: two in november/06 (wins) & one in june/07 (couldn't compare even tho i trained smarter, ate better, and had more prep time before the show. i was however, under alot more stress this time around).
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Look great doll. I wouldnt resort to any compounds that will Virulize. Permanant sides for temorary results. Sweet results but they wiont be kept for the most part.
Keep up the hard work.
Dirkmoneyshot.. thanks.. i've added some previous contest photos from my first two shows (nov 18 & 25/06) so you can see me in all three shows.. obviously i wasn't in the same form as previous shows.. but i think there is something to the water thing..
i cut water thurs nite.. but according to my trainer's directions.. i only had a few hours of overlap with the water intake and carb loading beginning.. i didn't feel like my muscles were loading at all.. i told my trainer and he said.. wait and see (but i never even got the rxn i had in first two shows.. thought maybe holding water, but perhaps fat level not low enough either).. my carbs had been restricted before that to about 40g/meal (wt on the scale). the only fluid i had before going onstage is about 3/4 of a can of coke with my last couple carb meals before the prejudging.. (i had two small carb meals an hour apart before leaving for the show) and then i had a mars bar & about 500ml water while pumping up approx 1/2-15min before going onstage.) i didn't get to properly pump up before going on stage or taking photos either.. my trainer was late and had all my gear.. he said i had lots of time.. and i knew i didn't from what they told me at weigh-in the night before. he simply brushed it off...
i can see your point.. and perhaps i must find another trainer.. i was very disappointed in mine, especially this past show.. he really let me down.
i only lift light weights with high reps about 4 wks before the show.. i did have a season of heavy lifting before lightening the weights and increasing the reps. from that training, i put on 11lbs of muscle since the last show (in 6 mos).. i don't think i began dieting early enough.. and i think my trainer has sum strange ideas about carb loading and dehydration.. what a drag...
also.. tell me.. what can enhance or speed up (if anything) muscle maturity if i don't have it.. i was told i did.. but hell.. not really feeling good about what i've been told now.. lol
PS.. i probably also pushed a little late with the training before the show too. last leg day was monday before the show.. trained full body in remaining two days (tue/wed).. last tanning day was wed also. but i didn't get much rest and i was also very stressed. probably a few factors here... the photos really don't show the striations and cross striations very well (altho my legs were holding water undoubtedly)... but they are there in the pics from the first two shows. i've been more shredded all week after the show than i was at the show.. that was my first clue that something was very wrong.. and my trainer hasn't replied to my questions about this. i guess i'm on my own in figuring this out (i will be picking your brains for any plausible explanation.. (thx!!)
Last edited by evangeline; 07-02-2007 at 10:13 PM.
Reason: forgot my postscript
I'm glad you put up the new pics- they do tell a little better story. Your upper body is far ahead in terms of leanness. You can really tell that by your side shot. Just take a look at your legs. Very little seperation between hamstrings and quads. Also there is a lack of seperation in your front quad shot.
Your abs, and back are very good. My only suggestion is do not try and blow up because you want those skin folds to tighten up so next time around you don't have them.
Keep lifting heavy weights with lots of volume. It will come along. I really think your on the right track and just some very minor things that need to change. Your really not horribly off and should be able to correct them in a fairly short time. Keep all of us updated next time you start dieting again.
Look great doll. I wouldnt resort to any compounds that will Virulize. Permanant sides for temorary results. Sweet results but they wiont be kept for the most part.
Keep up the hard work.
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hi gator..
i'm with you there.. i really am glad to be very feminine looking and i don't want to risk losing it. i have and will continue to make careful choices about what i put in my body.. my objective is to make money modeling--and i'm doing that fortunately.. so femininity is a must. i will be looking to enter natural bodybuilding shows in the future.
Question......you want to do natural bodybuilding but you've used obviously.....how long do you have to be clean to be considered natural?
Dirk.....you've been crazy informative in this thread!!!! I love it!
You mentioned paper thin skin........I've been told to achieve this that this has to do with diet diet diet. As you all know I am skeptical of some of the things my coaches do with my diet but they always mention coming in with that thin skin.....Diet Diet Diet! My diet is strict far out and they say that will have an effect on how the skin looks! I'm not sure if that's right but I guess I will see when I step on stage!
Also.....are you finding that you peak a couple days after the contest??
Question......you want to do natural bodybuilding but you've used obviously.....how long do you have to be clean to be considered natural?
You mentioned paper thin skin........I've been told to achieve this that this has to do with diet diet diet. As you all know I am skeptical of some of the things my coaches do with my diet but they always mention coming in with that thin skin.....Diet Diet Diet! My diet is strict far out and they say that will have an effect on how the skin looks! I'm not sure if that's right but I guess I will see when I step on stage!
Also.....are you finding that you peak a couple days after the contest??
well, the show i want to enter next is in october.. it's only a urine test.. no polygraph. i will be totally clean by then.. i haven't done anything long-lasting (on purpose).. i thought i might end up going "natural" (or just using growth hormone near the show).. i am just not prepared to put anything more than mildly androgenic in my body..
i did follow my trainer's instructions for my diet EXACTLY.. as did i follow his instructions for water intake/carb loading.. but i think somewhere along the line he has misjudged something.. i think i wasn't properly carb loaded.. i didn't drink at all until just before the show.. i didn't feel loaded.. my muscles felt FLAT.. i told him.. but he just shrugged it off and said "you'll see".. i didn't.
i think i'm peaking after the contest because at that point i have taken in sum water and my muscles are finally loading with water.. albeit.. i don't guzzle after the show either.. and i have remained on the distilled water since then (since i am afraid of rebound water retention.. i retain so much water in my legs/hips --i am so frustrated. can't see the striations in my glutes that i so faithfully labored for. it's there, but hidden by stubborn pockets of water). I am still tapering off dandelion root very slowly.. i was taking about 26 (500mg) caps a day at one point.. (again.. according to my trainer's directions). the thing is.. he was very distant this show.. and didn't really give me much attention and counselling--no where near the amount he did back in november.. so i tend to think it's a miscalculation on his part. i simply did exactly as i was told.
i think i will be experimenting soon with the contest prep process.. to see what actually works best. i'm a little confused now.. because he had me drinking no water at all (after thurs nite at 8pm) until 15 minutes before going on stage.. and i have never really looked my best on stage yet. the last show was worse than the first two shows and i KNOW my physique far outshines the shape i was in last November (with 11lb of muscle gained in 6 months).
thanks miss muscle.. appreciate your feedback very much.
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