Are so called Natural really *Natural*..

[demongrinder]

Just interested in seeing what you guys and gals think..No disrespect intended to anyone..Do you think Natural bodybuilders are really natural, or are they secret juicers?? eg Ron Harris, Layman Smith

etc etc

[prl]

I know the ANB and other feds in the UK have tests and polygraphs. But not very often are they carried out

[Milhouse]

NO

[UrbanPoet]

theres no way to really tell either... competitions like Muscle Mania do test for drugs.

And it is possible to build a physique like that over many years slowly.
Eg. Stan McQuay is "Natural" he has been body building for over 10 years... if we started out as a 150pound guy.. which is pretty normal.. you could gain 5 pounds of muscle a year over 10 years and get up to his current 200 (usually 180ish) body.

[fembb]

Doping tets are easy to pass if one knows the detection times of the steroids he/she takes and also the period when the tests are done.
The polygraph....i find more difficult to pass. If it wasn't for the poligraph, i would have definatelly said they are not really NATURAL.

[70w30]

Skip Lacour is natural

[Golgo13]

None of them are natural. I know an IFBB pro, who competed in the natural contests for years. he was juiced and he said so was everyone else.

If you want to know how far you can go naturally just look at athletes of hte 50s. They look like regular dudes.

[70w30]

Originally posted by 70w30
Skip Lacour is natural

[beefeater]

Natural guys are 100% natural. Ron Harris is very natural, you can look at his progression pics from 1987 up until now. Every year was documented.

Stan Mcquay, is no longer a natural. He used to be, but not anymore.

Natural shows are heavily tested and its not uncommon for a couple of guys to get caught and thrown right out. But I will tell you the biggest secret to natural shows: injectable lasix. Many are doing that right after the drug test then shoooting up and going on stage. Its amazing they can even pose on stage that long knowing how bad they have to piss in their pants.

[Chavie]

"If you want to know how far you can go naturally just look at athletes of hte 50s. They look like regular dudes"


me and my training partner are both 100% natural
and we look a little bit better then "regular dudes"


you trying to say you cannot built muscle tissue
without roids ?

come on wtf ?

[Bimmer]

its one of those things that only a few know the truth to. IMO, they might not always be on like other BBs but have had help to get where they are. And there is also GH and slin which certainly helps out. And lastly there are AAS that arent really know and tested for. Im sure there are nattys out their but not all.

[rock0]

I would say the are "natural" at the time of the testing.....

[putin]

Doping tets are easy to pass if one knows the detection times of the steroids he/she takes and also the period when the tests are done.
The polygraph....i find more difficult to pass. If it wasn't for the poligraph, i would have definatelly said they are not really NATURAL.

As you know a lie detector test doesnt dectect lies. And it's not as difficult to pass.

[Matthias1550]

Some of the natural competitors are former juicers. For the most part anyone that has been in competition for any length of time knows that if you juice do not do a natural show. If one has any real competitive drive then they will most likely respect that. Personally, I do not know why a real athlete would compete in an all natural show if he/she is a juicer. For me that nullifies the purpose of the competition.

[LUVdaBENCH]

I think as long as you started lifting young you can have a pretty decent body. I mean if the first time you touch a weight your 35, your definately gonna need juice. But starting at 15 and working out through your early 20's when ur natural test is at its highest, you can build a great body.

[Lifterdude]

As you know a lie detector test doesnt dectect lies. And it's not as difficult to pass.

Very true. I've taken one before and its not hard to fool one if you go into one if you know what your doing. Christ, that spy they busted years back for giving info to the Soviets was taking polygraphs every other month and he passed every single one with flying colors. It doesn't take much to fool them, which is why they're only used to charge a person, and not admissible in court.

I thought I heard somewhere they have a way of testing the hair folicle to see if there was any roid use? Is this true, I doubt it?

[durabol]

theres no way to really tell either... competitions like Muscle Mania do test for drugs.

And it is possible to build a physique like that over many years slowly.
Eg. Stan McQuay is "Natural" he has been body building for over 10 years... if we started out as a 150pound guy.. which is pretty normal.. you could gain 5 pounds of muscle a year over 10 years and get up to his current 200 (usually 180ish) body.

BULL ****ING SHIT

[Derek_D]

I thought I heard somewhere they have a way of testing the hair folicle to see if there was any roid use? Is this true, I doubt it?

Yes, they can do this but its extremely expensive. The RCMP here in Canada performs the hair test on all officers before they are made officers... it can detect anything you've taken for years if your hair is long enough... they can't do much if you shave everything off though! But you gotta shave everything!!!

Derek

[Lauw]

I couldn’t care less if somebody juices or not.
A great lifter or bodybuilder is a great lifter or bodybuilder, with or without steroids, I don’t care.

[Blue Hen]

Most of those guys are B.S. Look no farther than Kai Green last years Team Universe winner. That was a joke that they lets him compete, look at the pics. I'm getting ready for a local natural show right now. But this is the last year for that too many people beat the testing. Next time I'll get in the game and do a non tested show. Look the Olympics and NFL are tested are all those athletes clean?

[malibu350]

what i don't understand is everyone says that they test for drugs...I would assume that would mean AAS for a competition...but have been told its a street drug piss test??? I'm worrying about that right now for a contest I want to do in november...should I worrying about them testing for AAS????

[riprockwell]

I cant really say that neccessarily everyone that competes is on gear, but there is a shitload of juicers in Natural shows. One other thing you have to think about is that bodybuilders are some of the craziest people when it comes to how they look. Most competitive bodybuilders will put their bodies to the extreme just to compete using a mass load of gear.

[painless2]

You have also recognize that at the time of the test a lot fo these guys are "natural" that doesn't mean they didn't use all the way up until the cutoff point. Most, nearly all, are not tested at these shows that claim they tes, because the promoters want the best looking guys on stage, they just say they test so they can talk about how good these "natural" athletes look, knowing full-well that many of them are on the supps.

[Diggs]

Last years natural Mr Olympia lost his title a few months after the show when his test results came back positive, he's Australian. And I know of another Australian who cuts his gear 8-10 weeks before the world IFBB champs and passes. It's pretty much accepted at the world IFBB's though, they just have to test clean on the day!!

I think some do the right thing and I respect them but those guys that do natural shows that aren't natural, what losers!!!

[Blue Hen]

I just did a NPC tested show in May. They start the testing on Thursday at 3pm(polygraph). They tested for steroids and diueretics, open one year novice 5 years. The guy that won the show took the test at 3pm on THursday took his lasix after he passed and there you go. That was the last straw for me with the natural shows, at least the other shows are a level playing field.